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cnbc's steve leisman is here with that. what do they have to say? >> so they told us what i think we knew, which is that they're probably going to do additional asset purchases in january when the extenders -- what they're doing right now, this operation twist -- when that runs out. selling short term, buying long ter term. qe3-plus, maybe qe4. it is another extension of "operation twist" but they'll get rid of the selling and all they'll be doing is buying. that's one thing. another thing is they're having this big discussion internally about the guidance they provide and all i can tell you, michelle, is when i read the minutes, it doesn't sound like the discussion's ready for prime time. they are literally all over the place. they agree it needs to clang. what's the sflem they don't like this calendar dade guidance. they think it should be linked to economic goals, or economic targets. like we will stop keeping rates low when unemployment gets below, x or if inflation gets above y. but they can't agree on the targets. they're worried about the eff
cnbc's steve leisman is here with that. what do they have to say? >> so they told us what i think we knew, which is that they're probably going to do additional asset purchases in january when the extenders -- what they're doing right now, this operation twist -- when that runs out. selling short term, buying long ter term. qe3-plus, maybe qe4. it is another extension of "operation twist" but they'll get rid of the selling and all they'll be doing is buying. that's one thing....
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all right, steve. thanks very much for doing the leg work on that. steve liesman. even before today's hard line from the president at his press conference today, reports today that the president wants $1.6 trillion in tax revenue over ten years. that is twice the amount the president and republicans nearly agreed to last year during the whole debt ceiling debate. like any business deal this is all about the art of negotiating. let's put politics aside, find out what two experienced negotiators think and how they size up the fiscal cliff negotiations. joining me now is a partner at step two and johnson. he gives president obama the upper hand. but robert friedman who negotiates mna deals says republicans stand to be the winners. thank you so much for joining us. robert, is it smart negotiating by president obama to now double the amount he wants to raise in tax revenue? is this a scare tactic? >> i think it's brilliant negotiation, really, maria. i think as far as the art of negotiation, which is the topic you introduce, i think there are two keys. one is, do you ha
all right, steve. thanks very much for doing the leg work on that. steve liesman. even before today's hard line from the president at his press conference today, reports today that the president wants $1.6 trillion in tax revenue over ten years. that is twice the amount the president and republicans nearly agreed to last year during the whole debt ceiling debate. like any business deal this is all about the art of negotiating. let's put politics aside, find out what two experienced negotiators...
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. >> i am steve grasso. looking for a better place to put your cash? here's one you may not have thought of -- fidelity. now you don't have to go to a bank to get the things you want from a bank, like no-fee atms, all over the world. free checkwriting and mobile deposits. now depositing a check is as easy as taking a picture. free online bill payments. a highly acclaimed credit card with 2% cash back into your fidelity account. open a fidelity cash management account today and discover another reason serious investors are choosing fidel >>> welcome back. slow and stable growth. dividend raises, share repurchases. sounds more like a blue chip company than apple, but could that be where the stock is headed? a top analyst today says apple's phase of high growth is over. that's tony, the influential analyst who covers this company. he says, in fact, apple's becoming the new coca-cola. do you agree? >> i don't agree. i don't think their hypergrowth phase is over. i came back from europe. the stores were packed with apple. that's a penetration story. but i'l
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i'm steve kroft. in this edition, we look at three stories linked by the financial collapse of 2008. first, we examine a scam that's cost thousands of americans their homes. then we look into wall street's shadow market of credit default swaps. finally, a report on the perilous state of state finances. we begin with the foreclosure crisis. in the aftermath of the great recession, the huge number of foreclosed properties was a significant factor in weighing down the economy. many were stuck on the market for an unexpected reason: the banks couldn't find the ownership documents. as scott pelley first reported in april 2011, lenders wanting to evict people found that often, the legal documents behind the mortgages simply weren't there. caught in a jam of their own making, some companies appeared to have resorted to forgery to throw people down on their luck out of their homes. >> these folks on the street aren't homeless. they slept on the sidewalk because they want to keep their homes. facing foreclosur
i'm steve kroft. in this edition, we look at three stories linked by the financial collapse of 2008. first, we examine a scam that's cost thousands of americans their homes. then we look into wall street's shadow market of credit default swaps. finally, a report on the perilous state of state finances. we begin with the foreclosure crisis. in the aftermath of the great recession, the huge number of foreclosed properties was a significant factor in weighing down the economy. many were stuck on...
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. >> you don't eat it, you just catch it, right, steve? >> is this japan? >> they shouldn't be increasing the quota? >> why? >> because they have no idea about the stocks. they try to pretend there's one stock in the mediterranean, one stock in the atlantic, they have no idea. it's bad data leading to bad decision. >> if earn to take this conversation, you know what it would lead to? the tragedy of the commons. >> good point. >> when there's ownership of something, you conserve. when anybody -- everybody going after the same thing, they figure if i don't do it, somebody else is going to do it. if you own timber, every time you take down a tree, you plant two more. >> much better about protecting the resource and the europeans contend they have their own stock. but we've shown through the tagging data that these fish go across the mediterranean to the atlantic, up and down the coast, it's an extraordinary fish, a good one to preserve. >> okay. >> okay. >> let's go back to steve since you're there. you've got an interesting report, and i promise you i'll be l
. >> you don't eat it, you just catch it, right, steve? >> is this japan? >> they shouldn't be increasing the quota? >> why? >> because they have no idea about the stocks. they try to pretend there's one stock in the mediterranean, one stock in the atlantic, they have no idea. it's bad data leading to bad decision. >> if earn to take this conversation, you know what it would lead to? the tragedy of the commons. >> good point. >> when there's...
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guys, back to you. >> steve, it's david. first of all, i compliment your use of color. love the purple, very pretty at the top there. you look at that chart. i mean, that's progressive taxation at its finest -- at its most extreme, it would seem. >> it is. >> i wonder if those who believe taxes need to go up on the wealthy whether they embrace that and say, let's go over the cliff. you say half a trillion if you get to spending cuts, i mean, those worried about deficit reduction have to say, well, that will certainly help. >> it will help. two pieces to that, increase of taxes on the wealthy in a progressive manner, as you noted but also increasing for everybody so it's broadening the base, which is what republicans want. in that regard going over the cliff has a compromise element to it. >> i'm still thinking about lovie, we're going to be paying more in taxes, the gilligan's island reference from steve banks. >> tonight? >> why the markets may not be having trouble. >> and dan o'keefe. >> yes. >> let's get to the third hour of "squawk on the street." here's what you m
guys, back to you. >> steve, it's david. first of all, i compliment your use of color. love the purple, very pretty at the top there. you look at that chart. i mean, that's progressive taxation at its finest -- at its most extreme, it would seem. >> it is. >> i wonder if those who believe taxes need to go up on the wealthy whether they embrace that and say, let's go over the cliff. you say half a trillion if you get to spending cuts, i mean, those worried about deficit...